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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2008, 06:57:51 PM »
Hi CC!
Welcome to the board! I am going to write a response to you in our "Updates on Our Kids" private board, so that everyone can feel more comfortable answering!

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2008, 10:53:14 AM »
Hi Caryn,
I am Phoebe and I am new to this forum.  My son Sheldon is 11yrs old and was just diagnosed with TS(Tourette's Syndrome).  He was also diagnosed with ADHD when he was 5yrs old, we have done stimulant meds (eg, Ritalin, Adderall and Concerta, etc...) on and off over the last 6 yrs.  Just recently we noticed some odd behaviors (we know now are tics).  After seeing a neuro literally 2 days ago we got the diagnosis.  We were told that the stimulants he has been on in the past were the trigger for the tics but he was born with TS.  We were also told that the ADHD was probably masking it until the stims made it more prominent.  Sheldon is no longer on any meds and we want to avoid them at all cost.  His tics have minimized since stopping his last med, but some are still there.  I have done some research and know that diet can make a difference with both ADHD and TS.  My question to everyone that sees this is: Do you think or know (from personal experience) that a gluten free diet or any other diet has helped decrease signs and symptoms of ADHD and/or TS.  Thank you all for listening.

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2008, 12:34:27 PM »
Hi Phoebe!
Welcome to the board! I am going to write a response to you in our "Updates on Our Kids" private board, so that everyone can feel more comfortable answering!

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2008, 09:07:42 PM »
I replied :)

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2008, 05:55:40 PM »
Hi,
My name is Michele and I am a mother of 2 boys, 5 and 7.  Last year, we noticed our 7 year old doing these exaggerated eye movements and I instantly knew something was off.  That lasted awhile, then stopped. Then excessive blinking started then stopped.  Now, he's bending his neck a certain way....anyway, we saw a neurologist who explained it's quite common and he probably has transient tic disorder & to just ignore it.  Sure...that's easier said than done.  I feel so overwhelmed and helpless & I know there must be SOMETHING I can do to help him.  There is obviously a REASON why he has these tics, right?  Then I found this website.  I was thinking diet for awhile & really have noticed that when he has ever had anything with aspartame in it forget about it!!  He tics so rapidly.  Obviously, we have cut anything with aspartame out of all of our diets, if not for the tics, just in general because it's so bad.  I honestly do not even know where to begin with trying to figure out what could be triggering him.  Any help anyone could offer would be so greatly appreciated.  I do not even know where to begin and am so desperately wanting to help him.  I fear the older he gets & if his tics continue in this manner...well, you know how mean kids can be.  It just breaks my heart to see him in that situation.  Thanks again all!

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2008, 08:29:46 PM »
Hi Michele, and welcome!
I'm a mom to three boys, 2, 4, and almost 6. I bet your boys keep you on your toes!
I wrote a blog post about the connections between celiac and neurological problems a while back. It's at: http://healthy-family.org/caryn/289
One of the studies included an 11 year old boy who developed a neck tic. I've since met a few other parents that have described neck tics and have also later learned that their child was also gluten intolerant.
If you have digestive disorders in your family, or a member diagnosed with Celiac then that is a good starting point as far as uncovering a possible trigger. Tics can have many triggers, though, and it could be that there is a bacteria present, a fungal infection, or a virus that is causing them as well. It is hard to know for sure. A good treatment for right now is magnesium supplements, fish oil, and a good B6 vitamin along with a really clean diet that is low in sugar.

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2009, 05:52:58 PM »
Caryn,

I have been reading your posts and the posts of others and debating on when to jump in with this!

My son is 6 years old. In retrospect he's had tics since he was two or so.  I'll call him Buster online (a baby nickname).  When he was two and a half he did what we called his "baseball signs" all the time - rubbing his nose and his head, as well as sniffing.  He constantly had dirty smudges around his nose, from playing outside and rubbing his nose constantly.  His ped said it looked like allergies and suggested Claritan. After months of that not working he prescribed Zyrtec. We did both of those at low doses off and on for about 2-3 years, depending on his "baseball signs." This happened with two different peds.

About 1 1/2 years ago our third ped (third move) thought it looked like allergies so we were prescribed a higher dose of Zyrtec and sent to the allergist. We started him on the higher Zyrtec dose and we saw a side of him we'd never seen.  He got really frustrated really fast and had a lot of tics - tics that were new and scarey for us, because up to that point he'd just had the baseball signs.  He began "hmmming" all the time and doing the baseball signs like crazy.  It seems like he did something else, but I can't remember what it was.  We stopped the meds immediately and went to the allergist.  He seemed to think the noises (now we know were tics) were something different all together - said he'd never heard of Zyrtec causing anything like that. Keep in mind that the Zyrtec dose he was on was a high dosage for an adult (we found that out later when we went to talk to a pharmacist about this). We assumed that he was on a normal kid "dosage." I could kick myself now for not knowing that.  Actually, looking back too, it our peds' partner that prescribed these as he was gone. 

Nobody knew anything about tics.  All we knew was that he "hmmmed" with Zyrtec and baseball signs went crazy.  Then we started to realize that sometimes he'd echo everything his older brother said.  Just kind of quietly and only every now and then (he hasn't done that in over a year). Suddenly we could remember him having done that off and on since he was about three.   Since that experience with the Zyrtec and the allergist saying he didn't have any allergies most of the tics were pretty minimal until this summer in August.  He had the baseball signs, plus occasional grimaces.

During that month he began shoulder shrugs as well as more grimaces.  He also had to jump every now and then and say "hey, hey, hey."  Most of the time my husband and I just thought that was cute, not realizing it was a tic.  We tried about 6-8 weeks of a dairy-free diet and most of the tics went away.  Then we put him back on milk and eventually the tics came back, only a bit different, as they often seem to change.  We really can't remember if they went away completely without the dairy or if they just went a way a bit. Considering that they always come and do it's hard to say. I keep a journal for this, but not as dilligently as I should. Starting last night I decided that I have write about his tics at least every other day to really see if I can see any patterns.

Now he says, "I,I,I" when he plays, and clucks his tongue very quietly. The baseball signs are there and every now and then he bites his teeth together.  He also hits his knees together.

When I talked to our ped he asked if any of these things were affecting him socially and I said, "no," because right now they aren't, but I wanted to say - they're making me worry like crazy, because of the unknown future!

With all this said, he's a bit shy, but other than that very socially normally and intellectually very normal. He is quiet at school and perfectly behaved at school, according to his teacher.  When I help in the class I notice the same things.  He plays very well with other kids. In fact, he's very easy to play with and will go out of his way to help other kids when he's in a comfortable setting.

I've tried increasing B vitamins and magnesium, but I don't really know how to do it "safely." It seems that there are always problems when you have too much of this or that or not enough of this or that, so I'm afraid to do too much supplementing with a little kid.  How do I go about supplementing with Magnesium, the B vitamins, zinc, etc., without causing other potential problems?

Tomorrow I will be calling about the Alcat test to see if our insurance will cover this test, but I just don't know where to go from here.

Also, we talk very little about his tics. Nobody we know has noticed them.  Our closest friends, when we mention them, say they don't notice them, except for his "baseball signs."  His teacher hasn't mentioned them, either. I'm hesitant to bring them up with others, for fear of getting him labeled too soon.  Also, my mother-in-law said that several of her kids had tics that all just went away over time.  As adults, none of my husband's siblings have any tics that I've ever seen.  She never thought anything of them other than thinking that her kids just had more tics than other kids. My mom said that nobody had tics in our family (I come from seven kids and my husband comes from 9 kids, so we have plenty of examples to choose from. lol).

Now, I just don't know where to start with vitamins, etc., foods, etc., without him feeling too labeled or different.  Also, as background, I have a 7 year old that has no tics and a 20 month old with no noticable tics. None of us have obvious food sensitivities.

Anyway, I know that I've said a ton, but I suppose that's because I've been lurking here waiting to jump in and just thinking through and researching everything that I've read. I'm determined to do whatever I can to help my son, so that if tics do get worse or just stay the same I can be there to help them, prevent them, or alleviate them.

Thanks!

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2009, 10:13:55 AM »
Hi Kate!
Welcome to the forum. I posted some info about allergy meds in the Gluten Free Meds section.

http://healthy-family.org/forum/index.php/topic,278.new.html#new


We have heard many parents say that Zyrtec increases tics. We personally use Benadryl Dye Free. Some parents can use Claritin without side effects.

My little guy is also six and started symptoms at 3 1/2. He had a lot of digestive issues prior to that. I have heard many parents say that dairy is a major trigger. When we did the Alcat test we chose the  Comprehensive Wellness 6 (120 Items). It worked fine for us. Great Plains Laboratories also does food intolerance testing.

Many families find that their child with tics also has digestive issues. There may be candida overgrowth or bacteria overgrowth. Great Plains does testing for this. I believe it is called the OAT test. A couple simple tests you can do is to smell your son's breath (if it is foul that may mean testing is a good idea and results could be positive.) You could also get him to spit in a glass. If the saliva hangs and forms heavy strings this could mean candida. Also, if he has a white coated tongue this is also a sign. 

Our insurance covered the test, but if your insurance doesn't, you may be able to get the tests done for cheaper if you call and inquire.

We started with high vitamin doses and they helped, but to be honest, what really worked for us in the long run was a strict diet for six months. Our son had digestive issues (dysbiosis) and when the gut finally healed he improved dramatically. We do supplement but we no longer need high doses of vitamins. I just support his nervous system with foods rich in B vitamins, and give him daily doses of fish oil, and magnesium supplements.

His allergies are a major factor in his ticcing behavior. I have noticed that his tolerance has risen tremendously, but he has a threshold and we have to be careful not to exceed it. Last week his teacher bought him gluten free cookies but they contained corn starch. He ate quite a few of them during a school party. A year ago that would have caused multiple ticcing for up to 7 days. He got the dark circles under his eyes and developed a nose twitch and that was it. His reaction was much milder. So I think things will get better but I am not sure if they ever 'grow out' of some of their the food intolerances. (He had 17 allergies at the start, and now he eats everything in moderation but the wheat and corn and gluten.)

Maybe you could switch to the Benadryl dye free capsules to see if that helps. When we have exposure the antihistamine is very effective in helping the episode to pass.

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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2009, 10:14:55 PM »
Caryn,

Thanks so much for the message. I was so happy I could cry! :)  Actually, I spent quite a bit of time on the phone today with insurance and Al-cat and Great Plains labs. They were really helpful.   I even found an allergist in the area (okay, an hour away, but I'll take it) that uses the IgG tests.  My insurance covers the Great Plains test 90%, but the Alcat test, only if the doc writes the correct diagnostic code.  So far I'm feeling hopeful!  I will be calling our ped tomorrow to set an appointment with him and then go from there.  The only thing I noticed with the Great Plans labs is that their food intolerance test only seemed to list food, but not any food dye, etc., like Alcat includes.  Is that a problem?

I've read about using the magnesium, but making sure you use enough calcium and zinc with that. What Mag supplement do you use?  Ive heard a few people mention the fish oil.  What is that used for, or how is it supposed to work?  Is that for the omegas? If so, can I use flax seed instead of fish oil? I've heard that fish oil can have a yucky aftertaste and burps.  Have you all had any experiences with that? Also, when you talk about Tigger eating everything in moderation, except the few foods that he can't tolerate, does that mean you do a "rotation," or just that he eats small amounts of those foods? If we find foods triggering the tics, can we expect to be able to get over some of the intolerances, or just be able to tolerate them better?  I suppose those are things that we'll just have to figure out with time!

I will keep you posted on the IgG tests. After talking to several people at the labs I think I better understand how these labs differ from the IgE tests, although it seems that most doctors discount the IgG tests? 

Anyway, I'm hoping that this will give us a starting place and we'll get more answers as we go. Hopefully, we'll have success!  Thanks for your help!

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2009, 08:55:38 PM »
I use Kirkman labs magnesium with P5P (an easily absorbing B6). I also currently use Natural Calm. You will know if you have given too much magnesium because it will cause loose stools. We currently do not supplement calcium but we did originally. I can't remember what the ratio was. I think the doctor put us on a 2:1 ratio with mostly magnesium. At that time we were doing no dairy so he felt it was important to use the calcium supplement. We were also giving a lot of magnesium.
Now I give an average dose and we use lots of kefir daily. They also drink goat milk too, and I use it sometimes when I bake. It has a real strong taste-- not at all like cow milk. My hubby and I don't like it much.
We had our son on a dairy free diet for nearly 9 months while his gut healed. Now we use digestive enzymes and he has occasional dairy in his meals (but kefir is daily). He never tested positive for dairy on his IgG test but it is not recommended when you have leaky gut issues until the villi are healed.
I used to do a rotation. We were 'religious' about it when we started our re-intro. I waited 4 days to give a particular allergen again. Now I really don't pay much attention anymore. He gets some things almost daily now without incident. (His mild allergies). We did have some things come up allergic that he hadn't been eating (cherries). I have given him those things since his gut healed and his immune system strengthened. They don't cause ticcing or any other allergic symptoms now. I read somewhere that celiac can cause multiple allergies. So maybe once the gut healed the allergies subsided. I don't know.
Yeah, our ped refused to do the test. He said he didn't believe in them. The results can differ depending on what you eat or don't eat. Many people do both IgE and IgG. They often get different results on allergies. All I know is that we did a candida diet and also the Blood type diet but neither gave us results like the IgG diet did. We would have NEVER figured out the corn allergy any other way. It is in 80% of all processed foods-- even regular table salt. I would have NEVER gotten that one the way we were going. And it came up on the RED list, meaning SEVERE, never to eat again for life.  So I guess the IgG was a road map for us. We no longer felt like we were aimlessly driving the car around in circles.
The gluten had been removed prior to the corn (as our DAN doctor suggested we do gluten free casein free) and he had improved but was not great. When we removed the corn he improved dramatically almost overnight. (Stopped bedwetting). The biggest change was in his mood.
Good luck with what you decide.

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« Reply #25 on: March 04, 2009, 02:25:44 PM »
Caryn,

Thanks again. You really have been so helpful. I called and talked to the nurse at the doctor's office we're going to. Alcat labs gave us their number and our insurance covers them! 

The nurse was so helpful and familiar with every test I mentioned that I've come across searching forums in relation to tics, food, candida, etc.  She said that they are all tests that they do regularly. They do the IgG from Al-cat regularly and will even help us with whatever rotation or elimination diet we might find that we need.  A few years ago (before we moved here) one of my closest friends had children with celiac plus milk and egg issues. One of my son's best friends had a peanut allergy, so I got pretty good at making basic foods and having snacks available to a wide variety of food allergies.  I remember it was pretty hard, at first. I remember my friend said it gets easier as you figure it out.  Perhaps that experience will be helpful if we end up having to change diets here.  It sounds like reintroducing the low intolerance foods becomes routine after a while? I'm hoping so if we have to do that.

Finally, why did you all use a DAN doctor?  I haven't had any luck with finding one here that my insurance covers...at least not so far.  The doctor we're going to is an ENT.  IT sounds like they do things pretty similarly to a DAN doctor. Not to sound like I don't know what I'm talking about (but I suppose I really don't :)) aren't DAN doctors more for autism?  Do they work just as much with tics, etc.?  I'm just wondering in case the doctor we're going to doesn't work out.  BTW, somehow I was able to get in to see him this Friday!  I'm so excited about that. Originally their scheduling desk said that I couldn't get in with him until the end of April and THEN they'd order the tests!

Btw, I'd never heard of kefir until a few weeks ago.  I feel like there's a lot out there that I still don't know and/or understand.

Thanks again for your help!

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #26 on: March 04, 2009, 03:44:26 PM »

  • How old is your child (or yourself)?
  • How long ago did you first notice symptoms?
  • When was your child diagnosed?
  • What treatments have you tried? What worked? What didn't?
  • What, if anything, are you doing in addition to going gluten free?
  • How is your child (or you) doing now?
  • Is your (or your child's) condition stable, or do symptoms continue to wax and wane?
  • Do you see a pattern in symptoms?




hi, i'm Meg.  i was given a link to this forum from an online friend.  my sons has had very mild tics for a while.  not until very recently did i put together that he has food intolerance and that they may be causing his tics. 

-DS is 5
-i think he was around 2 when my sister pointed out his blinking tic.  i think there's been others that have come a gone but that's the one that sticks out in my head.  this last Saturday he went over to a friends house and was fed large amount of dairy.  we've been mostly dairy free for a month.  within a few hours he started with a breathe holding/grunting tic that seems to be getting worse 4 days later.
-no diagnoses as of yet.  i'm trying to get him into a a new family practice doctor ASAP in hopes wh can get some of this sorted out. 
-no treatments yet.  just avoiding dairy and phasing out the last of our gluten products in the pantry.  i'm only buying gluten free foods at this point.
-we're seeing a naturally minded chiropractor for his sensory issues.
-we're doing fine.  DS doesn't seem to be bothered by it.  i try not to bring attention to it but i'm still worried about him.
-it's to early to say if his stable.  like i said before i think it's getting worse at the moment.
-not sure yet since this is the first noticeable tic in a while. 

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #27 on: March 04, 2009, 04:05:17 PM »
Meg -

Hi!  I've been posting on this thread....you can read some of my previous posts. It sounds like your son is a bit similar to ours, only our son had more nasal allergy-type symptoms for his first tic.  Our son is 6 right now.  His tics started coming quite a bit more this past summer (5 1/2).   We had one really bad phase of tics when he was prescribed too much Zyrtec.  Not Good!  Anyway, we're about where you're at in the process, only I wish I'd started this last year like you! :)

Our son's tics are more now, although most people don't notice them unless we were to point them out. We don't say much about them, so that he's comfortable with them.  Just today I got an appointment with a doctor suggested to us by Al-cat labs  (check them and Great Plains Labs out if you're interested in food intolerance/allergy tests).  Yippee!  There's a guy at Alcat labs named Joe that knows a lot. I called yesterday and got a lot of questions answered by him.  He was super helpful and even gave me doctor names that regularly use their tests.

I then called the doctor's office and found one, hopefully, that will be a good match at least for getting us started on our search.  Call the doctors offices before you go and ask all kinds of questions you might have from reading these forums.  Just in the last couple of days that's been so helpful for me. I feel much more prepared to go to this new doctor with our son on Friday.  Goodluck!

Also, do you have tics in the family? Ends up my husband's mom says that several of the kids in his family had them - nothing ever came of them long-term.  It, at least, told me that there might be a genetic predisposition to them.  I don't know if that's good or bad - in some ways I wish there weren't, so I didn't have to think about it that way! :)

Goodluck as you figure out what to do!  I'll be excited to hear any good news!

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« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2009, 04:14:21 PM »
Meg - Today I was watching one of my son's tics. He says "I, I,I" in this playful way - kind of like he is being a pirate.  He does it when he's playing, but not in serious situations (yet).  Since it's not been too disruptive in public settings I thought as I watched him, how some of these tics have been a cute part of him. Something that my husband and his siblings have grown to love about him.  Our 1 1/2 year-old mimics him with this, because she thinks it's him just being a really fun big brother.  I can look at it that way when I'm not too worried about it turning into something else bigger in the future.   Anyway, I just thought I'd throw that random thought out there for anyone/everyone. Sometimes it's good to see the light/fun side of things!

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« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2009, 04:54:11 PM »
thanks mamakate3.  we're familiar with Alcat testing.  my daughter(almost 20mo) has some food intolerance issues.  her issues are more visible with rashes and weird poop.  we just got her results back yesterday and DS is next in line.  the doctor we found has been highly recommended for natural minded families and has experience with food intolerance issues.  i just hope they're taking new patients. 

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