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Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« on: January 08, 2008, 09:59:49 AM »
WELCOME! I am so glad you found this place.

The Healthy-Family Gluten-free for Tics Forum
is designed to share our experiences in using a gluten free diet to help improve vocal and/or motor tics in our children or ourselves. My desire is to provide a comfortable place where members can come together and share their knowledge or questions for the group. There are many treatments for tics/Tourette Syndrome, and some of us will have made our way here after years of trying different conventional and/or alternative therapies. Some may find us first and decide to start by going gluten free. Many of us here may have other foods we need to avoid as well, perhaps casein and/or corn. Some have had comorbid diagnoses such as Autism, ADHD, OCD, and Pyroluria as well.

If you are here for the first time, please introduce yourself and/or your child. Tell us a little about your situation:

  • How old is your child (or yourself)?
  • How long ago did you first notice symptoms?
  • When was your child diagnosed?
  • What treatments have you tried? What worked? What didn't?
  • What, if anything, are you doing in addition to going gluten free?
  • How is your child (or you) doing now?
  • Is your (or your child's) condition stable, or do symptoms continue to wax and wane?
  • Do you see a pattern in symptoms?


I would love to know what you'd hope to get out of this experience, too.
Once again, thanks for visiting today, and WELCOME! I hope this is the beginning of a supportive online relationship that can help strengthen us all and perhaps lay a foundation for medical professionals in the future.
 

Again, I cannot say it enough-- I am very glad you have come.


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Welcome Mary!!!!
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2008, 09:43:55 AM »
Mary Miller!!!
Oh my gosh!!!
Is it really you?
Mary, you counseled me last year about my Tigger on a TicTalk forum (I'm ctalty15).  It is because of you that we are where we are today. I even wrote about you on my blog entry: http://healthy-family.org/caryn/289
Wow!
I am so honored to have you here.
Thank you a million times over. Tigger is doing fantastic gluten free. We did an IgG test just like the one you showed me and discovered that in our case corn was also a major trigger. I somehow lost you in my contacts folder and for the longest time I thought about you and wanted to contact you to thank you. During the roughest times I held on to your story. It takes patience in the beginning. I have to be honest, I did not go GF first. It was the last thing I wanted to do. It just seemed like so much work. I did a lot of other things first, and when I was ready to do it I had somehow misplaced your info. I am so glad that you did what you did, took the time to help me. That is what gave me the passion to help others too. I felt it was the least I could do, sort of return the favor.
Wow. I am absolutely stunned that I have finally found you again!
Caryn

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Re: Welcome Mary!!!
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2008, 10:05:33 AM »
That's funny :) Mary was the first one that told me about there being a connection too! (on the TSparents yahoo group list)

I am so glad you came, Mary! :)


I'd really love to have the testing done for my son, the IgG etc, and see a DAN! dr, but I know it is all out of pocket ($$) so I don't know when that will be. But he is doing so well with what I am currently doing I guess it's ok to just continue for now.



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Re: Welcome Sterlingsmom to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2008, 09:12:10 PM »
Welcome! Glad you are here!
I love the ACN too. It has taught me so much and really brought us out of a very dark place when we had no where else to turn. Chemar is doing some fabulous work over there.
My son was just like Dawn's son too. His birthday video last year was so bad I can't even watch it. It makes me cry. There were moments in the video where it looked like he could be having mini seizures, or so the pediatrician thought when we brought the video in-- thus beginning the wild roller coaster ride that didn't stop flipping us around until we stumbled upon the ACN forum at Latitudes http://latitudes.org/forums/index.php.
I am excited about this forum too. I'm hoping to eventually get all my bookmarks transfered here for newbies to easily find and read. May take a while.
Thanks for joining!
Caryn

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2008, 09:42:12 PM »
Hi-
I recently was just told I have an allergy to wheat.  I have been suffering with chronic blinking tic for about 4 years now and I am still trying out new things to cure me from this annoying problem! I am currently on lexapro but have seen no improvement. I decided to search wheat allergy and tic disorder an I ran across your article. I was extremely interested b/c I have now started a wheat free diet this week. I am in college so it is extremely hard to find stuff i can eat... but i really want to try it out to see if it will help my tic. Your article has inspired me to have faith!

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2008, 06:31:24 AM »
Welcome leelee!
College is tough when it comes to special diets. If you belong to a small college it's possible you may have some options available that you're not aware of. Check to see if your school offers a gluten free menu for celiacs. Some schools have 'gluten-free' bars for students who need to avoid wheat, barley, and rye proteins. This way you will cover all the bases. If you have any questions, feel free come back and ask!
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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2008, 09:59:16 AM »
Hi Terri!
Welcome to our forum, we're glad you found us and hope that we are able to share a bit that will help you in your search to alleviate your son's symptoms.

First of all, I am wondering what your son's diet was like prior to the onset of symptoms. Was he eating a lot of sweets like M&Ms and stuff? Holiday cakes and cookies? What makes you think it is definitely candida? Was he on a lot of antibiotics as a baby/toddler?

Have you done any celiac/gluten intolerance testing on J? I'm just curious. The results are not accurate if you go GF before getting the testing done (unless you go through Enterolabs). I have read that candida overgrowth is common among those that are gluten intolerant as the gluten wears down the lining of the small intestine and allows for the candida to flourish outside the stomach and intestines. We have candida issues too and we use Threelac. I did look into the SCD after I had already been doing the GFMF casein reduced diet for quite some time. Do you believe that once the candida is killed that your son will be able to begin a more normal diet again or do you believe that he will have to remain on a SCD diet indefinitely? I am very curious as I have only read briefly on it and found it very interesting-- and difficult to follow! (Especially with a 5 yr old.)

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So -- now that these tics have come from out of the blue, we've gone back to square one.  We've pulled all di-saccharides and poly-saccharides from his diet (starches and sugars) and we're hoping for the best.


Just wondering what he was eating prior to the outbreak? Also, do you know if he has recently had exposure to Strep Throat? There is a huge community of people that see a sudden onset of symptoms after an exposure to strep. Maybe sterlings mom will jump in here, I do not have any personal experience with PANDAS, PITANDS.
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Tics we're seeing include - shoulder shrugging (he touches his ear lobes with his shoulders, alternating between the two), shuffles his feet, some blinking, opens and closes his lips, touches his fingers (in a pattern), pats his hands on his legs.  He says, "I like all the parts of my body to have the same amount of touches," and seems to want to keep things even on both sides.  He's also told me to use a specific hand a certain number of times while loading groceries into the car or turning the pages of books (in a pattern, using each hand equally).  Those behaviors have only happened a few times -- and that is what my pediatrician was most concerned about at this point.

We saw a flurry of symptoms at onset too, but they slowly waxed on, only to subside after starting a candida cleanse/gluten reduced diet.  Our Tigger had facial grimaces, sleeve pushes, eye blinks, head nodding, and some behaviors like you described that could be attributed to OCD like tendencies. (He had an obsession at the time that he had to completely change his clothes after each trip to the toilet because his perfectly 'clean' clothes were somehow soiled after he used the toilet.) He had a lot of anxiety issues and was very morose at times and explosively angry at others. We too saw many years of digestive problems prior to onset of initial symptoms (intermittent diarrhea, gas, constant burping, picky eating, poor growth.) He also had chronic bouts of infection and was prescribed antibiotics at least two, once three times a year.

Initially, we started him on a special combination of vitamins by Bonnie Grimaldi made specifically for TS. They worked beautifully to help 'knock the top' off of the tics. I believe the vits were taken for two full weeks before we saw significant improvement. We were giving high doses (8-10 capsules a day) and this was disconcerting for us as he was so young. We did call the company and they said the vits were safe in high doses so we continued down this path for quite some time.  Good supps for CNS function are B6,  Magnesium, and omega 3 fatty acids.

The OCD like tendencies faded when we went completely gluten free in addition to doing the candida diet. At the same time we saw a DAN doctor and discovered that Tigger also suffered from pyroluria, so we began a compounded vit at that time and stopped Bonnie's vitamins. Now after 9 months on a Feingold type, GF-MF and casein reduced we no longer need high doses of vits to keep the tics down and do not see any OCD-like behaviors.
Tigger is still a perfectionist and highly driven kid, but the anxiety is greatly diminished.


Thanks for stopping by. I hope we can learn from each other, and I'm very glad you came!
Caryn

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Getting Started....
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2008, 03:00:52 PM »
I noticed this thread has been getting a lot of views, so I decided to cross-post the following message:

I think everybody should look into reducing artificial flavors, colors, and preservatives before trying a GFCF diet. There are many food additives that can be real tic triggers in the average diet: MSG, Yellow dye #5 (also known as tartrazine), Red dye #40, sodium benzoate, artificial sweeteners, too much sugar. If you do this and there still seems to be a reduced amount of stubborn ticcing and unresolved issues of attention and hyperactivity, then consider the possibility that you need to look into wheat allergy, gluten intolerance, milk allergy, casein intolerance, and candida overgrowth.

I think the most important thing a newbie needs to do is get informed before making a decision. Then the best tool before scheduling an IgG test is some sort of anecdotal evidence. I recommend a food diary. This is a great way to determine if there may be a correlation between certain foods eaten and an increase in symptoms. Not all cases of tics or Tourette Syndrome include allergies/intolerances, but  I have found it to be very common among those that do get official lab testing done.

The most common triggers are:

    * milk
    * wheat
    * eggs
    * corn



If a diary points to one or more of the above culprits, a trial GFCF diet could be very beneficial for those that don't have the option of doing a comprehensive IgG test for financial reasons.

Here is a description of the principles behind a GFCF diet:
Gluten and Casein Allergies by the Henry Spink Research Foundation  The Foundation is an independent charity set up by Henry Spink's parents to assist families who, like them, have a child diagnosed with severe disabilities. They also have a page devoted to Tourette Syndrome treatment options.

Here is another source for more detailed scientific reasoning:
Developmental Disorders and Dairy Products, Grains, Gluten and Other Proteins
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Proteins consist of long chains of units referred to as amino acids. Digestive enzymes break down proteins into these long chains of amino acids. Incomplete digestion of protein leaves short chains of amino acids referred to as peptides. Such incomplete digestion is usually the result of enzymatic deficiency.



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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2008, 10:47:36 AM »
I've also seen *soy* listed as a common trigger as well- unfortunately, because that takes away a big substitute (soy milk/soy margarine etc..)

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Besides gluten and casein, some parents report that removing corn or soy led to equal or greater improvements in their children. Because soy protein is similar to gluten and casein, some diet proponents recommend removing it if the child seems sensitive.
http://www.autismweb.com/diet.htm

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2008, 01:24:29 PM »
Thanks Dawn!
I have finally gotten around to adding a Soy board on this forum. You are very right, and even though we did not have a positive for soy we are pretty much soy reduced. (Gives my little guy a sore bum!). I am slowly weeding it out. We still eat Van's Waffles which contains some soy. It is a pity, as the Trader Joe's Pancakes have corn. Not many options in the freezer section when you have to get rid of the big four: wheat, milk, corn and soy.
Grrrr. So glad we can eat rice  8)

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2008, 09:31:24 PM »
I'm sorry I posted in January and then disappeared.  It's hard for me to remember to proactively come to a board.  You made me feel like a Rock Star!  ha ha. 8)
I'm glad something I said helped you find something to help your child.  Yay!

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2008, 09:39:25 PM »
Mary,

Caryn is my Mary.  You are a legend!

Thanks,

Tami

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« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2008, 02:29:03 PM »
I happened across Caryn's article on Celiac Disease and Neurological Disorders yesterday.  When I got to the part where she describes what happened to her son last September, then at Christmas, and the many neuro and doctor visits I thought I was reading a passage from our family's life.

 My 3 year old son Trystan started his "tics" 1 week after his 2 year old shots.  We thought he was having siezures and had several EEG's.  I was a pediatric occupational therapist for 10 years (and a dietitian student for 3 years) before staying home with my 2 sons.  Trystan's movements were very apparent to me and as they became more involved my husband grew more concerned.  I began to notice a correlation between what he ate, how much he craved certain foods, and his behavior and movements.  He was up several hours each night with tics and laughter.  He has been gluten and casein free for 2-3 months and the tics have dramatically decreased.  I believe corn and PB may be a culprit as well.  I have questions about IgG testing still...need to read more.

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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2008, 06:07:46 PM »
Hi Michele!
Welcome to the board! I hope you find our little group helpful. We are small but growing.
You will find that someone posts something nearly every day. There is a feature that you can turn on that will notify you by email when a new message is posted to the group. You may want to do that for your convenience. You just click the notify button on threads that interest you.
Thanks for joining!
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Re: Welcome to Gluten Free for Tics
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2008, 10:55:24 AM »
Hi, I just found this forum through Caryn and I see at least one person I know from another list (Terri).  I'm CC and my child is J. I think this is PANDAS.  I'm not sure what to do about it.  I'll answer the questions first and then explain what I think may be going on. 

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    * How old is your child (or yourself)?
    * How long ago did you first notice symptoms?
    * When was your child diagnosed?
    * What treatments have you tried? What worked? What didn't?
    * What, if anything, are you doing in addition to going gluten free?
    * How is your child (or you) doing now?
    * Is your (or your child's) condition stable, or do symptoms continue to wax and wane?
    * Do you see a pattern in symptoms?

My child (J) is almost 10 yrs old.
He isn't diagnosed.
He has celiac (so do I), peanut and tree nut allergy and possibly dairy intolerance. He is on a gluten free diet and just started the 2nd week of a dairy free diet again.  He takes fish oil, beta carotene, vit D, B complex, b6, inositol, choline, and C.

I first noticed tics after a bout of strep at 4 yrs old.  He was treated with a 10 day course of antibiotics and then 24 hours later the symptoms were back. He got a stronger 10 day course and that was it. The tics were nail biting and another than I can't remember, but they subsided.  I saw a new tic for the first time last summer. I started thinking it was from re-introducing dairy, but now I am thinking it was possibly strep exposure at the Great Gluten Escape camp for celiac kids last summer. There was at least one outbreak of strep there and mycoplasma infection (walking pneumonia).  His strep culture was negative though, but he did get pretty sick. I took him after I had given him some olive leaf extract for a few days, but as soon as I found out that the other kids were sick and what they had.  I don't really know if the first tic started before camp or after camp. 

He switched to a new tic and dropped the old one during the school year. He also had a pos strep culture in January.  He was treated with antibiotics for 10 days and then a day or so later the sore glands and strep smelling breath were back.  Instead of taking him back to the doctor who refused the stronger antibiotics in the first place on my request and report about the 1st strep episode, I called my homeopath and she advised Belladona 30cm wet doses several times a day for 2 days. I gave it for 3 and he was fine. Now I'm thinking since he has celiac and has a runny nose 80% of the time with this compromised immune system, he could be carrying this kind of stuff around. We have strep antibodies if we have ever been exposed to it in our system all the time anyway.

So I need to read up on PANDAS. Can anyone advise me about this?

And I think I need to add some magnesium to his diet and work toward more fresh fruits and vegetables, less sweets, though we aren't horrible in that dept. He just has an aversion to new foods and doesn't eat many fruits and veggies. 

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